@Farbs@mastodon.social I think once I properly internalized the idea that humans aren't rational creatures, that the verbal rational mind is a presentation layer that most of the time is creating post-hoc rationalization for actions and ideas with much more emotional, instinctual, and complex internal origins, this all became a lot easier. They're often not capable of arguing discussing in good faith even if they wanted to because they're deceiving themselves with their rationalizations. It took me a lot of help from years of therapy to be able to do this less to myself and so when talking to others I don't assume they've had that help and if I genuinely want to engage with them I do the work to find their underlying emotional and experiential motivations to connect with and address, otherwise I keep them at a safe arm's distance.